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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 14, 2006 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

The best -Dylan,Branford,Baba Olutunji & of course DUANE!

The worst -Clarence Clemmons, Joan Baez, sometimes Dylan

Also anyone got any thoughts on John Fogerty(CCR)with the DEAD?

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Dec 14, 2006 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

David Murray. Not bad by any means but I saw him in 95 in oakland and he really didn't add much. Plus some people don't like his style

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Dec 15, 2006 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Agreed about David. He's one of these very gifted musicians who feel as if they can play anything. Just ask him, he'll tell you. But he is too controlling to be part of the Dead's musical ethos.

Best: Elvin Bishop, "Smokestack Lightning" 1969. One of my favorite songs. Elvin just tears it up.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Dec 14, 2006 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Gotta include with Etta doin Hard To Handle and Tell Mama two shows in a row!!

I also had the opportunity to see the boys with Boz Scaggs, in a surprisingly awesome appearance at the Vietnam Vets benefit in May '82 at the Moscone. It was all blues with Lovelight (first US post Pigpen), Walkin Blues, Death Letter Blues and JBG. I would highly recommend this to any Deadhead.

Other greats I was fortunate enough to witness with the boys, Airto/Flora Purim, John Cippolina, Matthew Kelly, Rick Danko, The Band, Nevilles, Dylan, Bonnie Raitt and Mick Taylor.


As far as the worst I witnessed, by far it was Hall and Oates. While What's Going On was nice to see, you couldn't hear the boys (especially Jerry), and, for the life of me, I will never understand why the boys agreed to play "Every time You Go Away". It was the only time that I heard a significant amount of boo's at a Dead show.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2006-12-14 23:03:46

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Poster: dehead Date: Dec 15, 2006 6:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Spencer Davis at Spectrum opening with Gimme Some Lovin in 86

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 14, 2006 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Interesting thread! I had no idea this many folks appeared with them over the years. I do recall some interviews with Dead members about Bob Dylan not being 'with it' most of the shows, playing poorly, etc., and that it really irritated the members of the Dead, so that seems to fit with people's impressions here.

I have to admit that I just generally don't enjoy it when others sit in with bands (not just the Dead); completely my personal bias about wanting to see the ones I came to see, and finding the others a distraction...really narrow minded, I know. Just never really impressed me as much as the 'on paper' description would have led me to believe it would work out. I suppose it just goes to show that you really do have to work hard at integration to pull it off, even the so called spontaneous jams, etc., and the newcomers distract from that.

But, don't want to be a nay sayer with all the others here citing what sound like some real success stories.

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Poster: spinninngcoin Date: Dec 14, 2006 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

i had to laugh seeing the post about hall&oats -- i was about 8th row in MSG for that boondockle and extremely in the "M zone"... after a very nice start to set 2, it was one of the moments of highest cosmic humor to see these 80's pop starts walking on to play, backed by the dead! of course it was pathetic, but CLASSIC and 'just exactly perfect' in its own way... 'chinese bones' with vega was actually very sweet.

i also was surprised to see the diss on clarence clemmons. although his '89 shoreline sit-in was fairly weak, 1st set new year's eve 1988 was strong work. check out wang-dang doodle -- a song that the band would really butcher (IMO) later on, but at that time was a fresh, cool new howlin wolf cover and clarence smoked it - nice interplay with jerry as well.

my top 5 highest 'guest moments' (not in order):
1. duane - everything
2. branford - eyes, DS, nassau '90
3. carlos - watchtower, angel's camp '87
4. etta - lovelight - NYE '81
5. kesey - DS, halloween '91 - haunting
5+. olatunji - 5+a) rainforest benefit drums 1988, awesome!, 5+b) screaming howling wild laughter, drume 12/30/89 - scary , massive, show!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Fogerty - my thought is the CCR stuff sounded great at the show shows they played together but didn't hear an overwhealming Garcia or Weir presence on them

Guaranteed most overlooked best - Gary Duncan ( Quicksilver) on the Oct 91 run. Added a killer dynamic as did Santana.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Don't forget Carlos in the "Best" category

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Some best for me were:

John Cippolina, Flora & Airto, Billy Cobham, Norton Buffalo, Hamza el Din, members of the Nevilles Bros (with Brian Stolz on guitar), David Hidalgo of Los Lobos

Worse: does Bobby trying to learn to play slide count?

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

I forgot about Neville Bros. Can't leave them out.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

I am probably gonna get razzed for this but i liked Suzanne VEGA singing the Dead through Chinese Bones at the MSG RAINFOREST BENEFIT.

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Steven Stills - Love the one your with.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 14, 2006 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

i've scoured the thread and no one has mentioned zakir hussain. 8-8-82 DRUMS!!! had to add airto moreira, 10-31-83 again, drums - HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!

This post was modified by mcglone on 2006-12-14 22:28:15

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Poster: Robony Date: Dec 15, 2006 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

B = Duane
NFA Jam from COW

W = Beach Boys

In regards to Branford - The only thing that keeps me from REALLY liking that DS is that Jerry took too much of a backseat to BM. Would have loved for Jerry to have really thrown something down and challanged him more.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Oh yeah, and how can Branford not be mentioned?

Also for whatever strange reason ( probably Dylans fault ) their collaborations pretty much sucked imo. I mean the Dead play Dylan excellent so.....?

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Dylan seemed to be hit and miss to me, Check out RFK 86 end of first set 'Desolation Row'. Also the "Joey" from the DYLAN/DEAD official CD is to me incredible! but Dylan often seemed to be operating on a totally different frequency. I think it had to be real challenging to play with him.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 14, 2006 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

I saw him solo in 86 or 88 forgot which and it was HORRIBLE. Love Dylan but he was so incoherrent that I was hoping he was doing it on purpose to piss all the yuppie types off but I know that isn't it. But then look how good his live stuff has been the last however many years, I suspect a lot of that has to do with the Dead's influence.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 14, 2006 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

I saw him do a version of his ballad "Shelter from the Storm" that was so intense, electrified and out of control that an instant mosh pit formed and consumed just about everyone , for ten crazed minutes we were all fire breathing dragons of the apocolypse which is so the opposite of what I feel when I listen to the studio version of that song which is as mellow to me as ATTICS OF MY LIFE. Imagine the Dead doing a slam dance version of ATTICS, it was OTHER WORDLY!
But you are right sometimes he decides to be a Cardboard cut-out of what people think he is about and just for good measure throws in his versions of fingernails screeching on a blackboard and then he is like go ahead and applaud me now! GARCIA said of Dylan, "THAT GUY HAS NO FINGERPRINTS"

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 14, 2006 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Dylan's writing is SO good, the performance is almost secondary. Saw him w/ Van in '98 or '99 and both men performed well. Nothing remarkable.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

best--Branford Marsalis, David Murray, Mick Taylor, Carlos Santana

worst--Neville Brothers, Joan Baez, Beach Boys, Hall and Oates

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

I got to say the one thing I really enjoyed from Beach boys and Dead was Oakie from Ma-skok-ie. THere is just so much irony in playing that with that DEAD.
"WHITE LIGHTNING IS STILL THE BIGGEST TRIP OF ALL"

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 14, 2006 9:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Ok I read through the whole thread and have come to the realization that the Cosmos as I have known has ended and that I AM indeed living in the Twilight Zone!!! Hall & Oates? You have got to be shitting me! How could I possibly not have heard about that? Was there an elaborate cover up to protect me from such potentially damaging information?

It does kind of explain a lot though...

Seriously though, too many good ones, not many bad ones...

Liked: Carlos & Cippolina best. Branford M from the Nassau show and was pleasantly surprised by Steve Miller in Las Vegas (93-94?) Morning Dew was very memorable, so was the rest, except I forgot... Never did hear the Dead and Dylan together though.

Worst would have to be Hall & Oates! I honestly have not heard about that till now! Scares me and I'm fearess!!! I've never heard it, don't want to hear it, hope I can forget that I ever heard this... Uh oh, I may be exposing my soft underbelly now... That and this is taking forever to write.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 15, 2006 6:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

They had to provide Limo's to a whole bunch of society types and bus in a whole lot of straight people just to get MSG to the point that when Hall and Oats were introduced there would be some polite applause. But like the Brother said even with that train wreck it was a great show. One that was more of a spectacle to remember with guest stars and video clips rather than a standard show. I picked my tickets up at the box office a couple of hours before showtime. SAVE THE RAINFOREST!

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

W: Pete Townsend

B: Branford

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:28pm
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I agree with Pete being in the worse category, even though I love him and Jerry would always comment on how great he thought he was as a musician/thinker. It just didn't work out on the only show I know about.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:32pm
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Pete is more of a technical orchestrator, his genious being in preparing music and executing it as written just like a Shakespearean play. In terms of spontaneous improvisation, that's not his bag. He and Jerry are kind of polar opposites. Both extraordinrily talented musicians, but they travel different roads to acheive their brilliance. Rembrandt and Picasso.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 14, 2006 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

Hey isn't Pete in TROUBLE ?

"I want to tell everybody what those young girls will do for you"

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:34pm
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james cotton,lovelight rocked.garcia was all grins and james was fantastic,he really got into it and you can tell he loved the crowd.soldier field summer 92.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:42pm
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That reminds me ETTA doing LOVELIGHT!

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musicians sitting in -BEST/ WORSE

James Cotton is the MAN. Before there was a John Popper, there was James Cotton. And speaking of harp players sitting in with the Dead, lets not forget the Master, Lee Oskar.

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Poster: CCCC Date: Apr 15, 2007 5:46am
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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 14, 2006 8:46pm
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F Jazz? Guess you only like First set tunes? No Dark Star? No Playin'? No extended weirdness?

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Poster: dstanme Date: Dec 14, 2006 5:31pm
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worst:Branford Marsalis ( fu*k all that jazz )


really??